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		<title>By: Peter Weggeman</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87461</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Weggeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is another fool who has fallen for the biggest hoax ever, driven by the &quot;raw ideological willfullness of the progressive left&quot;. This wonderful description in quotatation marks is from a Wall Sreet Journal editorial about Obamacare. It also fits AGW. I am a retired chemist who has studied energy and climate for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is another fool who has fallen for the biggest hoax ever, driven by the &#8220;raw ideological willfullness of the progressive left&#8221;. This wonderful description in quotatation marks is from a Wall Sreet Journal editorial about Obamacare. It also fits AGW. I am a retired chemist who has studied energy and climate for years.</p>
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		<title>By: sdcougar</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87441</link>
		<dc:creator>sdcougar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do need action by citizens to continue to expose this and &#039;educate&#039; our senators...esp. McCain, Luger...

I wrote up a fact sheet and sent to everyone on my contact list, urging them to contact their senators. We all need to do as much as possible to expose these lies. I wish the Tea Parties had kept their powder dry till the Senate begins action on cap and trade...but its getting a bit chilly for demos in D.C.

Reading in British newspapers, it seems many people there, too, are fed up with their government hawking this scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do need action by citizens to continue to expose this and &#8216;educate&#8217; our senators&#8230;esp. McCain, Luger&#8230;</p>
<p>I wrote up a fact sheet and sent to everyone on my contact list, urging them to contact their senators. We all need to do as much as possible to expose these lies. I wish the Tea Parties had kept their powder dry till the Senate begins action on cap and trade&#8230;but its getting a bit chilly for demos in D.C.</p>
<p>Reading in British newspapers, it seems many people there, too, are fed up with their government hawking this scam.</p>
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		<title>By: David Becker, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Becker, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was said earlier, but bears repeating. There is no consistent correlation between CO2 increases in the atmosphere and global temperature. During the last 10 years (possibly even the last 12 or 16 years, according to a recent analysis of satellite data), the surface global temperature has plateaued or dropped as CO2 increased. When normal scientists do real science, such a discrepancy would kill a hypothesis, utterly. A further look at global temperatures for the last few thousand years shows that nothing dramatic or unusual has occurred in the last few hundred years, as AGW purveyors contend. The earth has been much, much warmer than it is now. President Obama has embraced a pathological science for political reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was said earlier, but bears repeating. There is no consistent correlation between CO2 increases in the atmosphere and global temperature. During the last 10 years (possibly even the last 12 or 16 years, according to a recent analysis of satellite data), the surface global temperature has plateaued or dropped as CO2 increased. When normal scientists do real science, such a discrepancy would kill a hypothesis, utterly. A further look at global temperatures for the last few thousand years shows that nothing dramatic or unusual has occurred in the last few hundred years, as AGW purveyors contend. The earth has been much, much warmer than it is now. President Obama has embraced a pathological science for political reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87361</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, President Obama is not a scientist , nor scienfically minded.  He is a great influencer, and in turn is easily influenced by &quot;experts&quot;.  It is no wonder that he adopts AGW &quot;spots&quot;.  If he can be so wrong about this, what else is he wrong about?  PM is right.  We need to go nuclear in a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, President Obama is not a scientist , nor scienfically minded.  He is a great influencer, and in turn is easily influenced by &#8220;experts&#8221;.  It is no wonder that he adopts AGW &#8220;spots&#8221;.  If he can be so wrong about this, what else is he wrong about?  PM is right.  We need to go nuclear in a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: artcohn</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87351</link>
		<dc:creator>artcohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most critical energy problem is the de;endence of the USA and other industrial nations on petroleum produced mainly by Nations that support terrorists who wish to destroy America and kill Americans. As President, stopping our dependence on petroleum from these terrorist supporting nations should be Obama&#039;s first priority! Until we do, we will be economically drained by these imports; plus the money will go to those nations and factions that wish to destroy us. This threat is real and happening now! The threat of climate change due to human caused CO2 emmisions is speculative,based on climate modeling that do not include accurately all of the climate affecting processes. There are some actions that are beneficial for both problems, such as the replacement of low-MPG cars by very high-MPG cars such as plug-in hybrids. Others conflict. The demonization of coal, our lergest domestic enery resource, retards its use to provide petroeum substitutes by coal liqidfaction, such as the Fischer-Tropps process, that are well proven and have been utilyzed in the past.
All ways of reducing our dependence on petroleum from terrorist supporting states should take our first priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most critical energy problem is the de;endence of the USA and other industrial nations on petroleum produced mainly by Nations that support terrorists who wish to destroy America and kill Americans. As President, stopping our dependence on petroleum from these terrorist supporting nations should be Obama&#8217;s first priority! Until we do, we will be economically drained by these imports; plus the money will go to those nations and factions that wish to destroy us. This threat is real and happening now! The threat of climate change due to human caused CO2 emmisions is speculative,based on climate modeling that do not include accurately all of the climate affecting processes. There are some actions that are beneficial for both problems, such as the replacement of low-MPG cars by very high-MPG cars such as plug-in hybrids. Others conflict. The demonization of coal, our lergest domestic enery resource, retards its use to provide petroeum substitutes by coal liqidfaction, such as the Fischer-Tropps process, that are well proven and have been utilyzed in the past.<br />
All ways of reducing our dependence on petroleum from terrorist supporting states should take our first priority.</p>
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		<title>By: prp</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87341</link>
		<dc:creator>prp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cbullitt is 100% correct, Gore makes millions and the government has another revenue stream.  Win for the government and the people involved in the BS.  We are left stomping on the burning bag of crap on our front porches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cbullitt is 100% correct, Gore makes millions and the government has another revenue stream.  Win for the government and the people involved in the BS.  We are left stomping on the burning bag of crap on our front porches.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartan79</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87321</link>
		<dc:creator>Spartan79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming is mostly Mann-made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming is mostly Mann-made.</p>
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		<title>By: cbullitt</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87311</link>
		<dc:creator>cbullitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will continue to demagogue the science that proves AGW is a hoax because he, Kerry, Boxer, Waxman, Markey and the international kleptocrats see the utility in taxing carbon. It is everywhere, produced by every biological and industrial process. They will continue to lie that their &quot;solution&quot; will save the planet, just like the stimulus saved the economy. 

They don&#039;t care about the science--never have. They care about money and subjugating the masses, and Thermageddon legislation is the best way to do so on a massive scale ever conceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will continue to demagogue the science that proves AGW is a hoax because he, Kerry, Boxer, Waxman, Markey and the international kleptocrats see the utility in taxing carbon. It is everywhere, produced by every biological and industrial process. They will continue to lie that their &#8220;solution&#8221; will save the planet, just like the stimulus saved the economy. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t care about the science&#8211;never have. They care about money and subjugating the masses, and Thermageddon legislation is the best way to do so on a massive scale ever conceived.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael D Smith</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87301</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ignore scientific evidence of the harm caused by emissions&quot;

It seems the President is the one who is ignoring the scientific evidence.  After spending $80 Billion on research, there is still no evidence of a direct link between CO2 and temperature.  Perhaps he has written a peer-reviewed article on the subject that purports to have evidence of such a link?  If so, why hasn&#039;t the media covered that article?  Evidence please, Mr. President.

Thanks PM for your thoughtful response.  I agree.  The argument he rejects is a false one.  &quot;If it ain&#039;t broke, fix it until it is&quot; is not a cost effective policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ignore scientific evidence of the harm caused by emissions&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems the President is the one who is ignoring the scientific evidence.  After spending $80 Billion on research, there is still no evidence of a direct link between CO2 and temperature.  Perhaps he has written a peer-reviewed article on the subject that purports to have evidence of such a link?  If so, why hasn&#8217;t the media covered that article?  Evidence please, Mr. President.</p>
<p>Thanks PM for your thoughtful response.  I agree.  The argument he rejects is a false one.  &#8220;If it ain&#8217;t broke, fix it until it is&#8221; is not a cost effective policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Politicians Cost Lives</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87291</link>
		<dc:creator>Politicians Cost Lives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about average global temperatures. Forget about ice caps melting and Polar Bears floating across the Atlantic on ice cubes. Forget about rising sea levels, droughts, increased hurricanes, floods and on and on. Also forget about sunspot cycles or El-Nino and La-Nina, or whatever the hell else has been thrown into the mix as a distraction because none of it matters, none of it is relevant. All we have to do is drill down and focus on one thing only.

That one thing is CO2. 

It is claimed that humans are responsible for Climate Change because of our CO2 emissions and that we need to have limits imposed because we need to reduce our emissions of CO2.

So first simply ask yourself this: 

Can CO2 trap in heat?

Answer: NO, nothing traps in heat, substances can only absorb and re-emit heat but they cannot trap heat.

Next question, does CO2 absorb heat more strongly than the other gasses in the atmosphere?

Answer: NO, CO2 is only 0.03811% of the atmosphere and remains as solid ice up to a temperature of 194.65 K

Nitrogen and Oxygen which make up 99% of the atmosphere on the other hand, begin to melt at temperatures as low as 50-60 K and so are much stronger absorbers of heat and at the same time, make up most of the atmospheric gasses. 

This puts the effect of CO2 into context. CO2 cannot trap heat as no gasses in the atmosphere can. CO2 is a tiny proportion of the gasses in the atmosphere, so tiny in fact that compared to Oxygen and Nitrogen it is barely noticeable. The effect of such tiny amounts of CO2 being a much weaker absorber of heat than Nitrogen and Oxygen, also show that the warming effect of CO2 is insignificant.

So the final question is, are we responsible for Climate Change through our CO2 emissions? 

Answer: NO WE MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.

Take that  to Copenhagen!


If you would like to know more about the AGW fraud and carbon tax, download this free .pdf book  

http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2_files/CO2tdino.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about average global temperatures. Forget about ice caps melting and Polar Bears floating across the Atlantic on ice cubes. Forget about rising sea levels, droughts, increased hurricanes, floods and on and on. Also forget about sunspot cycles or El-Nino and La-Nina, or whatever the hell else has been thrown into the mix as a distraction because none of it matters, none of it is relevant. All we have to do is drill down and focus on one thing only.</p>
<p>That one thing is CO2. </p>
<p>It is claimed that humans are responsible for Climate Change because of our CO2 emissions and that we need to have limits imposed because we need to reduce our emissions of CO2.</p>
<p>So first simply ask yourself this: </p>
<p>Can CO2 trap in heat?</p>
<p>Answer: NO, nothing traps in heat, substances can only absorb and re-emit heat but they cannot trap heat.</p>
<p>Next question, does CO2 absorb heat more strongly than the other gasses in the atmosphere?</p>
<p>Answer: NO, CO2 is only 0.03811% of the atmosphere and remains as solid ice up to a temperature of 194.65 K</p>
<p>Nitrogen and Oxygen which make up 99% of the atmosphere on the other hand, begin to melt at temperatures as low as 50-60 K and so are much stronger absorbers of heat and at the same time, make up most of the atmospheric gasses. </p>
<p>This puts the effect of CO2 into context. CO2 cannot trap heat as no gasses in the atmosphere can. CO2 is a tiny proportion of the gasses in the atmosphere, so tiny in fact that compared to Oxygen and Nitrogen it is barely noticeable. The effect of such tiny amounts of CO2 being a much weaker absorber of heat than Nitrogen and Oxygen, also show that the warming effect of CO2 is insignificant.</p>
<p>So the final question is, are we responsible for Climate Change through our CO2 emissions? </p>
<p>Answer: NO WE MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.</p>
<p>Take that  to Copenhagen!</p>
<p>If you would like to know more about the AGW fraud and carbon tax, download this free .pdf book  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2_files/CO2tdino.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2_files/CO2tdino.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: sdcougar</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87271</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad. The President could actually have learned something at MIT.

 Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, served on IPCC: &quot;One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a no brainer.

Here, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, gives a clear, concise summary of the real problem: http://www.heartland.org/events/newyork09/pdfs/lindzen.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad. The President could actually have learned something at MIT.</p>
<p> Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, served on IPCC: &#8220;One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a no brainer.</p>
<p>Here, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, gives a clear, concise summary of the real problem: <a href="http://www.heartland.org/events/newyork09/pdfs/lindzen.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.heartland.org/events/newyork09/pdfs/lindzen.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Girma</title>
		<link>http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/10/23/obama-pessimism/comment-page-1/#comment-87261</link>
		<dc:creator>Girma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global Temperature &amp; CO2
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http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/detrend:0.707/normalise/plot/esrl-co2/normalise

Is it not amazing that the CO2 increase matches with the increase in temperature from 1976 to 1998? Does a match of CO2 and mean global temperature between 1976 and 1998 means they will always match?

Was CO2 decreasing from 1878 to 1911 like the mean global temperature?

Was CO2 decreasing from 1944 to 1976 like the mean global temperature?

At the moment, as shown in the above data, temperature and CO2 are moving in opposite direction. No relationship at all!

AGW advocates, be quick with your tax before this becomes so obvious that even primary school students see no relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Temperature &amp; CO2<br />
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<p><a href="http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/detrend:0.707/normalise/plot/esrl-co2/normalise" rel="nofollow">http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/detrend:0.707/normalise/plot/esrl-co2/normalise</a></p>
<p>Is it not amazing that the CO2 increase matches with the increase in temperature from 1976 to 1998? Does a match of CO2 and mean global temperature between 1976 and 1998 means they will always match?</p>
<p>Was CO2 decreasing from 1878 to 1911 like the mean global temperature?</p>
<p>Was CO2 decreasing from 1944 to 1976 like the mean global temperature?</p>
<p>At the moment, as shown in the above data, temperature and CO2 are moving in opposite direction. No relationship at all!</p>
<p>AGW advocates, be quick with your tax before this becomes so obvious that even primary school students see no relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: PM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but this article and the president&#039;s excerpt leave me pretty confused.  I know that he supports the AGW ideology, but what did he say?  &quot;Climate Pessimism More Dangerous Than Climate Deniers&quot; - what are those?  

&quot;It&#039;s the pessimistic notion that our politics are too broken and our people too unwilling to make hard choices for us to actually deal with this energy issue...&quot; - what?  People don&#039;t even think we have much of an &quot;energy issue&quot;.  And, politics?  Politicians should pretty much just step aside and let us get on with our business of building our country. How not in touch with the issues and the people can a President get?

We have massive new finds in oil, the largest supply of coal in the world and burgeoning CH3 discoveries and supplies for over 100 years so we will not be hindered one bit for the necessary 10 years in building adequate 100+ new nuclear power plants that will support our energy needs for the next hundreds of years.  Where&#039;s the problem?

We don&#039;t need to invest a dime on solar and wind power, leaving that up to individuals and niche applications.

A &quot;smart&quot; power grid investment?  With as needed modular nuclear plants any kind of a large scale grid will not be necessary.

CO2?  GHG?  Scientists and science have not proven any harmful temperature effects by them, and to the contrary, modelers have failed in their predictions.  As CO2 increases temps has stabilized, or decreased for over ten years.  Historically, there is no correlation between CO2 and global temperatures.  Forget about it.

So, what&#039;s there to be pessimistic about, except politicians trying to feed their egos by trying to impose another fraud upon us where: &quot;Only they (politicians) can save us.&quot;  I don&#039;t think so.

So, Mr. President, how about you direct your attention to the real problems for a U.S. president and clean up the mess in the mid-east you campaigned to manage and harden our borders so we can actually have a real country with real defendable borders.  And, how about working out appropriate, up-to-date legal immigration policies where we set up quotas and stick to them - or just leave it up to the states, whatever.

Take it easy Mr. President.  Shoot some more hoops, collect some more prizes and let citizens work on developing a prosperous future for us all - PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this article and the president&#8217;s excerpt leave me pretty confused.  I know that he supports the AGW ideology, but what did he say?  &#8220;Climate Pessimism More Dangerous Than Climate Deniers&#8221; &#8211; what are those?  </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s the pessimistic notion that our politics are too broken and our people too unwilling to make hard choices for us to actually deal with this energy issue&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; what?  People don&#8217;t even think we have much of an &#8220;energy issue&#8221;.  And, politics?  Politicians should pretty much just step aside and let us get on with our business of building our country. How not in touch with the issues and the people can a President get?</p>
<p>We have massive new finds in oil, the largest supply of coal in the world and burgeoning CH3 discoveries and supplies for over 100 years so we will not be hindered one bit for the necessary 10 years in building adequate 100+ new nuclear power plants that will support our energy needs for the next hundreds of years.  Where&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to invest a dime on solar and wind power, leaving that up to individuals and niche applications.</p>
<p>A &#8220;smart&#8221; power grid investment?  With as needed modular nuclear plants any kind of a large scale grid will not be necessary.</p>
<p>CO2?  GHG?  Scientists and science have not proven any harmful temperature effects by them, and to the contrary, modelers have failed in their predictions.  As CO2 increases temps has stabilized, or decreased for over ten years.  Historically, there is no correlation between CO2 and global temperatures.  Forget about it.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s there to be pessimistic about, except politicians trying to feed their egos by trying to impose another fraud upon us where: &#8220;Only they (politicians) can save us.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>So, Mr. President, how about you direct your attention to the real problems for a U.S. president and clean up the mess in the mid-east you campaigned to manage and harden our borders so we can actually have a real country with real defendable borders.  And, how about working out appropriate, up-to-date legal immigration policies where we set up quotas and stick to them &#8211; or just leave it up to the states, whatever.</p>
<p>Take it easy Mr. President.  Shoot some more hoops, collect some more prizes and let citizens work on developing a prosperous future for us all &#8211; PM</p>
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